How to make Equipment with 2 Supply connectors, IN/OUT 1 system?

[luigi]

I have both an Air Seperator and an End Suction Pump....both of these equipments have a Supply In and a Supply out. For some reason, I can't get them to belong to the same system.

When it is going in, it is 1 system, when it comes out it is a different system. I want them both to belong to the same Supply System (Hydronic Hot Water Supply System-HHWS) It is forcing me to create a 2nd system.

Anyone can help? I can't label the pipe using system name unless I resolve this.

Since I am not an engineer...I hope I make sense... :S

[Steve_Stafford]

I believe the Link Connector button on the Options Bar is what you want. You need to link the in and out connectors together so that Revit will "think" of them as related.

[luigi]

I actually tried that...but will try again...Thanks Steve!

I believe the Link Connector button on the Options Bar is what you want. You need to link the in and out connectors together so that Revit will "think" of them as related.

[luigi]

No it didn't work....

I made sure it was linked, and it was...
I duplicated the mechanical equipment to the side, drew pipes from Supply-In and Supply-Out...they were both set as "default"...
Then I added that equipment to the Hydronic Supply System. The Supply-In now belongs to that system, but the Supply-out still belongs to the "default" system

Any other suggestions Steve, or anybody else?

[luigi]

OK...I still need help from Kyle, or other Autodesk Revit MEP specialists....and of course my peers out there....BUT....

The only way I can get the Air Seperator to work (and then the same with the pump) is to make the family a " pipe fitting"

It doesn't seem to make sense, and maybe there is another family type that works better, but by keeping it as a mechanical equipment, and trying almost any configuration with my 2 supplys, I can't get the In and Out to be considered 1 supply....

At least, as a fitting, it doesn't affect the system, it just becomes part of a system....

Please...anybody else?

hmm....maybe a bad ANTI-smiling face will get attention? Let's try

[Steve_Stafford]

A couple more thoughts. Assuming the link connector deal worked. Have you tried connecting the mechanical equipment to the hydronic system before connecting any of the mechanical connectors in the project. In other words, connect the hydronic system first, then the mechanical system.

What are you connecting this "ME" to? You might need to create the hydronic system with a down or upstream component and then add the "ME" to that system using Add Equipment. In a quick mockup I was able to do this and have both connectors consider themselves part of the same Hydronic system...the pipes thought they were too through "guilt by association".

Can you post the "ME" (mechanical equipment) here so we can try it with the actual culprit...and maybe Kyle can too?

[luigi]

Hi Steve,

you lost me with a "upstream or downstream component"

Basically, I have a Suction Pump that takes the supply and sends it out also as supply. Also the Air Seperator has an inles and an outlet of Supply.

I did some testing, not in the project, thinking that if I re-did it basically from scratch, I might understand how it behaves...basically I placed this family (with a Supply In and Out Linked) and created piping in both directions. Without continuing the pipes into a different equipment, I selected this equipment and assigned it to a system (HHWS) (so that it wouldn't be set as default) and when I tag the pipes, one says "HHWS" and the other Supply Hydronic (default lcoletta), so they are considered seperate systems, and it allows me to create a second system.

I was able to make it work...I just don't remember if I had to really make it a "pipe fitting" family, or if I was able to make it a Mechanical equipment with "fitting" connectors, rather than supply...anyways, got it working by not allowing it to be part of a system...so it relies on other equipment's system.

I will upload the pump tomorrow, which is basically the stock "End Suction Pump" with modified connectors.

Thanks,

A couple more thoughts. Assuming the link connector deal worked. Have you tried connecting the mechanical equipment to the hydronic system before connecting any of the mechanical connectors in the project. In other words, connect the hydronic system first, then the mechanical system.

What are you connecting this "ME" to? You might need to create the hydronic system with a down or upstream component and then add the "ME" to that system using Add Equipment. In a quick mockup I was able to do this and have both connectors consider themselves part of the same Hydronic system...the pipes thought they were too through "guilt by association".

Can you post the "ME" (mechanical equipment) here so we can try it with the actual culprit...and maybe Kyle can too?

[luigi]

Here is the family attached. The family attached is one that I got to work properly.

Both connectors are "Fitting" connectors. so they will never define a system...they just belong to the system of the pipes connecting to them... I originally had them both as a Supply, one as an "IN" and one as a "OUT", with Linked connectors.

[dleo]

I believe it has to be two separated system.
you may read Kyles blog regarding setting up connectors(Calculated, Preset, System).
after you create two different system, you can control flows with system browsers.

if you don't like this way,
only way you may do is like you said, treat them as fitting.