Then what is the point of even using the OOTB CUI file? Right now all that im doing is customizing which toolbars, ribbon items, pulldowns, ect. i want to use from the OOTB CUI file. I been to scared to even waste the time making my own custom ribbon items, toolbars, and pulldowns. If the OOTB stuff doesn't work right why would i think custom CUI would be any better?